Student Comments January 2004

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The teaching presented a very clear, vivid structure</I><FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" ><I>Y</I></FONT></div> <bR> <div> If I had not been equipped by knowledge that I received at UFI I would be angry before God for the pain which He brought for me. Now I know how to think about pain in the Christian life<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT></div> <bR> <div> M-5: <I>the most significant module in my life</I>; God broke my heart, revealed the spiritually adulterous desires of my heart; I<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >=</FONT>m grateful for the encouragement to God and UFI team; to continue my counseling I had to come to this module. </div> <bR> <div> Before this module (M4) I almost killed my CE with the Law, but after the teaching of Module 4 I decided to rebuild my relationship with him, and this has greatly helped my ministry.</div> <bR> <div> M-5: I was impressed by the <I>rich theological understanding</I> of nature and action of addiction, but also the <I>true help</I> for addicts according to the Word. <I>It</I><FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" ><I>=</I></FONT><I>s important that 5</I><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" ><I>th</I></FONT><I> module was built up on the previous four. </I></div> <bR> <div> Y<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >helped me personally and in my counseling; warning about misuse of the Scriptures; the </FONT>A<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >farmer</FONT>@<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > and </FONT>A<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >doctor</FONT>@<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > concept help to diagnose correctly and to prepare the soil of the heart in order to sew the needed seeds in the right time.</FONT></div> <bR> <div> Module 5 - a <I>huge personal benefit</I> for me! As usual the material taught works immediately in my life. I then use and see the benefit of this great material. Every module for me is an honest conversation with God<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT> a difficult conversation, but then it results in great value </div> <bR> <div> (M4) Law and Grace. The result of understanding the connections was wonderful<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT>the way to use Law and Grace in proper time, proper place and proper quantity.</div> <bR> <div> M-5: <I>light bulb about anatomy of sin</I>; the alcohol addiction is very typical for all the rest of addictions; <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" ><I>A</I></FONT><I>king-priest-prophet</I><FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" ><I>@</I></FONT><I> concept help God to reveal my own addictions.</I> </div> <bR> <div> Y<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >this module was stuffed and informative </FONT>Y<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > useful for my ministry; it will be used in small group study; </FONT>Y<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >The new team (expanded UFI Team) is with integrity, strong in the unity and love and very inspiring. My soul was healed through the people by God</FONT></div> <bR> <div> I understood in a deeper way the <I>rich teaching of covenant theology</I> as applied to counselling. I also appreciated the teaching about the anatomy of sin<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT> </div> <bR> <div> In hindsight I saw the superficiality of my work <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT></div> <bR> <div> God worked with me directly, showing me my heart. <I>God wants me to keep my heart clean.</I></div> <div> <I>Y</I><FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" ><I> </I></FONT><I>></I><FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" ><I>anatomy of sin</I></FONT><I>=</I><FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" ><I> teaching was revealed very deeply</I></FONT>Y</div> <bR> <div> Y<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >God showed me that I had very deep offence against my mother, and that I have a responsibility for my reactions. My deeds belong to me</FONT>Y</div> <bR> <div> <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT>I received <I>very helpful material about brokenness</I> - how God breaks a person allowing storms in the person<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >=</FONT>s life. It is important to God how I react. He promises to lead me through<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT></div> <bR> <div>  <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >A</FONT>Who will Rule?<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >@</FONT> I will carry this important life question with me </div> <bR> <div> <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT>learning <I>how to use the</I> <I>Law and Grace in proper ways</I>. It helped me to relate to people and this greatly influences my life. It helped me to better understand people<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >=</FONT>s problems<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT></div> <bR> <div> Y<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >the law of sin stimulated my mind to personal self-understanding and I anticipate a huge revelation in the weeks following this Module</FONT>Y</div> <bR> <div> Before Module 4 I believed the counselling process is possible when you have biblical glasses plus knowledge of secular psychology. But after M4 God convinced me that <I>the Word of God is sufficient</I> for full counselling<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT> first time I understood <I>importance of counsellee doing homework.</I></div> <div> (Editorial Note: As always, Ron mentioned proper limited use of secular psychology) </div> <bR> <div> Y<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >showed me the biblical ground of sinful dependencies. ..good practical helps for counsellees..</FONT></div> <bR> <div> During the last several years I read a lot of psychology and I bought a lot of books. After M4 I was convinced of the <I>sufficiency of Bible</I><FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT> (Editorial Note: As always, Ron mentioned proper limited use of secular psychology) </div> <bR> <div> <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT><I>clear biblical help</I> for us to minister to enslaved idolaters. All these questions about how to work with such a people were in my head as I came to M5. I do appreciate the knowledge I have received during M5.</div> <bR> <div> Y<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >I used Jay Adam</FONT>=<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >s book when I shared the Gospel with people</FONT>Y</div> <bR> <div> <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT>especially influenced by the teaching on <I>how to deal with those who differ (contending for the faith</I>)<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT>several circumstances where I needed to put the M4 information into practice<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT></div> <bR> <div> <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT><I>culmination of my understanding of my idol, which through</I> <I>all my life has enslaved me</I>. The idol provided me with particular blessings, and through the module I saw how my idol worked and governed my life.</div> <bR> <div> Y<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >I found a lot of covenants of idols in my heart, </FONT>Y<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > God shows the way out!</FONT></div> <bR> <div> Prior to this Module <I>I never thought that love is an action of your will</I>. My view was that love was only a feeling!...</div> <bR> <div> God revealed my dependencies. It was very hard to say <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >></FONT>no<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >=</FONT> to people when I should have said <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >></FONT>no<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >=</FONT> (man-pleasing). From this my wife suffered, my children suffered, and my ministry has suffered. During Module 5 I confessed this before God and broke the idol covenant. However, I realize that the main battle is ahead.</div> <bR> <div> <I>I am so happy that I could help</I> a lot of people to forgive their neighbours and to give them <I>hope and the right direction to pursue their walks with God.</I></div> <bR> <div> ..warmness of the hearts.. <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >></FONT>one-anothering one another<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >=</FONT> <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT>everybody became one family!</div> <bR> <div> Right now maybe I am not like <I>wise farmer (of Isaiah 28</I>), but I received many benefits from Module 4, and I will try to act according to that teaching.</div> <bR> <div> I expected more and simpler teaching. I just found that <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >></FONT>everything good requires a lot of hard work.<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >=</FONT> <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT></div> <bR> <div> After module 4 I prepared <I>a sermon about love</I>, <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT>most important to put off and put on <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT></div> <div>  </div> <div> In Module 5 <I>I saw what ruled my heart</I>, and I got the answer for my question, <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >A</FONT>Why is it happening to me, and how it is acting?<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >@</FONT> Because of you <I>I repented</I>, and I know that without UFI it would never have happened. I would have perished. <I>Thank you very much! Let God reward you.</I></div> <bR> <div> Y<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >goals of the communication with the people who have the different opinion, the role and status (responsibility) of the counselor, .. the Jay Adams manual</FONT>Y</div> <bR> <div> M-5: the covenant idols and worshiping them: <I>prophet</I><FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" ><I>B</I></FONT><I>priest-king concept</I>; the anatomy of sin; deceptiveness and corruption of the heart; the <I>importance of church ministry for the addicts</I><FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT> </div> <bR> <div> I used it in my relationship with___, and thanks to that we reached the peace in the family.</div> <bR> <div> M-5: <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >A</FONT>spiritual abortion<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >@</FONT> <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >B</FONT> I <I>praise God</I> <I>for the</I> <I>obstacles </I>He put in my life<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT></div> <bR> <div> I saw that I misused the law and it doesn<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >=</FONT>t please God. If I had no 4<FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >th</FONT> module material it would be much harder for me to counsel<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT> </div> <bR> <div> I saw more clearly how sin works <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >B</FONT> James 1, 14-15; <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >AA</FONT>spiritual abortion<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >@</FONT> made me to think about God<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >=</FONT>s grace in our lives; but the  most important thing is that <I>God works in my heart with every module to break my heart in order I could serve more to Him and to people</I>.</div> <bR> <div> M-5: New view at the sin as the covenant with the idol: priest-king-prophet; the anatomy of sin; I thank God for His preventing grace in my life; understanding of the big consequences of the little steps.</div> <bR> <div> Jay Adams manual; the order of using law and grace; at last I realized how the steps of counseling interact according to the <I>2 Tim 3:16</I></div> <bR> <div> God works with me first and then with my counselees; <FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT>Jay Adams manual<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT>.</div> <bR> <div> M-5: I really appreciated when the <I>people shared</I> about their sins, struggles, and prayed<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="WP TypographicSymbols" >Y</FONT></div> <bR> <div> Y<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >wisdom in using Scripture; the mortification of the lust; to cut the root not the fruit; to change myself not my surrounding </FONT>B<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > all of these materials were used on our sister</FONT>=<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >s sharing group.</FONT></div> <bR> <div> Y<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >The truth shook me...but when Ron explained that if God doesn</FONT>=<FONT SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >t work in this way in our own hearts, then we can not help the others, - I was encouraged. I like our deep digging. I really like that I have our manual to look through and go deeper. It was new for me about the covenant with idols. </FONT></div> <bR> <bR> <div> Because of this rich material I could overcome a lot of storms in my life.</div> <bR> <div> Y<FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >learning that </FONT>A<FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >the way up is down.</FONT>@</div> <bR> <DIV ALIGN="LEFT"></DIV> <div> ...“Who will Rule?” I will carry this important life question with me!</div> <bR> <div> <A HREF="id66.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="KC Archives"><U><B><U><IMG SRC="7c2582e0.jpg" border=0 width="600" height="46" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></U></B></U></A></div> <bR> <div> <A HREF="#top_kc_news_1" TITLE="Student Comments January 2004"><U><U>TOP of PAGE</U></U></A></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> </td> </tr></table></body>